Two shorter shows, first up Hanselminutes episode 417, I’m teaching my daughter to code with HopScotch – Fitzgerald Steele.

Jerry posted his daughter’s “5 things I learned about programming” on Twitter and got over 3000 retweets. After one hour with HopScotch she captured the essence of programming. I think we have a lot to learn from kids.

Scott and Jerry have a very good discussion on programming and learning in general.

Second one is RunAs Radio episode 362, Gradual DevOps with Steve Evans.

Richard and Steve talks about how overall productivity in an organization can be improved just by making small changes. Instead of talking about DevOps you gradually improve the way of working into a faster, more reliable and higher quality culture.